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Started by jrl290 ยท 1mo ago
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โ jrl290 #1 โ
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โธ 1mo ago
I see someone already has a javascript library that uses WebSockets. I think that's great
For fun, I mocked up what I thought could be done using nothing but PHP and standard HTTP
ports (AI assisted of course), since that's generally the limitation of shared web
hosting.
The key difficulty is the one way nature of POST requests. It's always possible to access
the hosted server. It's not possible to dial back to the client. So I took a particular
strategy: front and back load the "pull" side of the exchange; reduce the "push"/"poll"
side to a "data ready" response.
Between web servers, the "one way" issue isn't a problem. A node can just directly send a
"data ready" whenever needed.
Polling of course, isn't awesome. But a lot of "live" connections on webpages do that
anyway: including chat programs.
The key link to the concept though is getting data from the PHP host to the standard
TCP/IP backbone nodes in order to link everything. That could be done by anyone who has
more flexible hosting that could run python on custom ports. Or worst case, a polling
daemon could provide a link
I just figured it might be a cheap way to expand the network. For resiliency more than
for specific application use
Any thoughts on whether it's worth pursuing? I'm honestly on the fence about it's
usefulness
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โธ 1mo ago
Why not just use websockets as the interface? they use the same port as your other http
traffic, so there's no limitation there?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
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โ jrl290 #3 โ
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โธ 1mo ago
Shared hosting relies on short lived requests. Even if you were to run a php script that
establishes a websocket connection, the hosting service may terminate the script if it
runs too long. You also wouldn't be able to accept incoming connections while also
running an nginx/apache web server since they would tie up the same port
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โธ 1mo ago
> Even if you were to run a php script that establishes a websocket connection, the
hosting service may terminate the script if it runs too long
Ah, that sucks.
> You also wouldn't be able to accept incoming connections while also running an
nginx/apache web server since they would tie up the same port
Of course you can. You use / for your regular traffic and /ws
for your websockets. Every remotely modern web server can deal with websockets.
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โ jrl290 #5 โ
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โธ 1mo ago
Of course you can. You use / for your regular traffic and /ws for your websockets. Every remotely modern web server can deal with websockets.
Yes, sorry. You are correct that apache/nginx can "upgrade" to websocket. But in that
scenario it is acting like a reverse proxy to websocket on another port. If your web host
doesn't allow binding to more than a few ports (80, 433...) then you can't run the
websocket service and proxy to it.
Different shared hosting has different restrictions. Some allow you to open arbitrary
ports locally but not accessible from outside. But again, it can be shut down for keeping
an arbitrary connection/process open too long if the host has it configured that way. And
then there's GoDaddy which doesn't provide ssh access, much less port binding.
But the more important thing is that short lived connections are a staple of the
internet. And it also happens to coincide fairly nicely with Reticulum's ability to
handle LoRa's asynchronous broadcasts. With the one small incompatibility that traffic
can't always be pushed. But Reticulum is meant for arduous conditions. I think it would
be a disservice to think Reticulum couldn't handle what most of the internet runs on
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